| In this page,
I will be discussing in more detail, Catholic teachings, or the implied
or allowed teachings by Rome.
The Catholic church has many detailed teachings,
but on some issues, they are quiet or I believe sly in their quietness
on the issues. They have in the past tried to control information to the
masses, such as Bibles. They also leave holes in their doctrines, of which
allows people to fill them in with more detail; by imagination, tradition,
revelations, visions, and so on. They have also had a record of closing
their vaults of info to public scrutiny.
Is there any evidence of this? Look here:
http://www.biblelessons.com/catholic.html
How this fire affects
the souls of the departed the Doctors do not know, and in such matters
it is well to heed the warning of the Council of Trent when it commands
the bishops "to exclude from their preaching difficult and subtle questions
which tend not to edification', and from the discussion of which there
is no increase either in piety or devotion" (Sess. XXV, "De Purgatorio")."
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http://charleston.net/stories/021403/wor_14vatican.shtml
Vatican to open Nazi-era
archives in bid to silence criticism
Associated Press
VATICAN CITY--For
years the Vatican has struggled to defend its wartime pope, Pius XII, against
claims he was anti-Semitic and didn't do enough to save Jews from the Holocaust.
Now the Vatican is
taking the extraordinary step of opening part of its secret archives ahead
of schedule, in a bid to silence attacks against a man it is considering
for sainthood. Starting Saturday, millions of Vatican documents from the
years leading up to World War II will be available to scholars.
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http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=7772
Vatican refuses comment
on Croatian connection
VATICAN (CWNews.com)
-- Responding to charges made by the US
State Department,
a Vatican spokesman said the Holy See has "nothing to add" to previous
statements regarding the conduct of the Vatican during World War II.
The US State Department
yesterday issued a statement indicating that some Vatican officials, acting
through the pontifical college of St. Jerome, had helped Croatian war criminals
to escape. Stuart Eizenstat, a ranking State Department official, added
the charge that the Vatican may have used Nazi gold to facilitate the flight
of the Croatians.
The Vatican has already
denied previous reports that Church officials acted as conduits to transfer
Nazi gold supplies to Croatian officials.
The American report
claims that some Church officials-- who were not named-- had cooperated
with the members of Ustasha, a Croatian nationalist group which had been
implicated in a series of killings. The report did say, however, that there
was no evidence that Pope Pius XII was aware of that cooperation.
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http://www.rense.com/general16/refuse.htm
http://newsoutpost.com/article47.html
Vatican Still Refuses
To Open Holocaust Records To Jewish Scholars
JERUSALEM - Hebrew
University Prof. Robert Wistrich said yesterday he is resigning from the
Catholic-Jewish commission appointed to study the role of the Vatican during
the Holocaust.
Wistrich, who made
the announcement at a session of the World Jewish Congress meeting in Jerusalem,
said that as a result of the failure of the commission, Catholic-Jewish
relations are at their lowest point since the formulation of Nostra Aetate,
the 1965 Vatican document that expresses the church's new outlook toward
Jews and Judaism...
The two resignations
make it unlikely the commission will be able to continue. Wistrich said
he feels this was his only option in the face of continued Vatican refusal
to open its archives to commission members...
In July, the commission
suspended its activities, following the Vatican's failure to answer 47
preliminary questions put to it by the entire commission and its refusal
to give the scholars access to unpublished material in its archives...
Wistrich said he
sent a long letter to Pope John Paul II in April, noting the contradiction
between earlier papal statements and actions and the present atmosphere.
The answer, conveyed
by the "mutual friend" who delivered the letter, was the pope is not going
to get involved...
Wistrich also said
in the way the Church presented material about the rescue of Jews, it blurred
the fact that in well over 90 percent of the cases, the rescue work was
on behalf of baptized Jews...
"The attempt to present
Pius XII as a kind of hero of the resistance is a form of Catholic revisionism
which I find has nothing to do with historical truth, but more to do with
the internal political agenda of the Church," he said...
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Pope Pius IX on December
8, 1864 issued an encyclical letter Quanta Cura, containing the Syllabus
Errorum, in which he condemned freedom of conscience as “an insane folly”
and freedom of the press as “a pestiferous error, which cannot be sufficiently
detested.”
DAVE HUNT, A WOMAN
RIDES THE BEAST, p. 55 (1994), quoting J.H. IGNAZ VONDOLLINGER, THE POPE
AND THE COUNCIL, p. 21 (London 1869).
In the Syllabus
Errorum Pope Pius stated: “No man is free to embrace and profess that religion
which he believes to be true, guided by the light of reason.”
JOHN W. ROBBINS,
ECCLESIASTICAL MEGALOMANIA, p. 143 (1999).
Pope Gregory XVI
(1831-46) viewed freedom of conscience and the press as absurd and mad
concepts, not only within the church but in society as a whole.
DAVE HUNT, A WOMAN
RIDES THE BEAST, p. 123 (1994).
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Sometimes Catholics will claim, that it
was they, not the protestants, who initiated making Bibles for the masses.
But here is a source claiming why the catholic church didn't:
http://users.binary.net/polycarp/burning.html
Translating the Bible
into the vernacular languages during the Middle Ages was simply impractical.
Most vernacular languages at that time did not have an alphabet, so they
could not be put into written form. Also only a few people could read
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This is a poor logic and untrue. This next
source is an atheist , thus they are not biased between protestants or
catholics, read their view on this:
http://blogs.salon.com/0002889/2003/08/30.html
Here’s why it all
starts with Luther. So long as the Catholic Church and the European monarchies
held the power in Europe, they also controlled education and access to
spirituality, because the common people couldn’t read or understand the
Latin which was used in the Bible and the church, so they were utterly
dependent on their priests to tell them what they had to do to get to heaven.
The Protestant Reformation spread the belief that common people could go
directly to the scriptures and interpret them themselves– they didn’t need
the priests to mediate between them and God. The Bible was translated into
the vernacular languages, and people had a reason to want to learn to read.
This leads to the gaining of knowledge (about something other than agriculture)
by people who were not under the control of Catholic dogma, and the whole
future rolls out from there.
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And here is more info on how and why the
Bible was brought and kept from the people:
http://www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/discuss133.html
Hobbling Scripture
Mary Ann Collins
(A Former Catholic
Nun)
Since the Middle
Ages there has been an ongoing conflict between those who want to see Scripture
hobbled and those who want to see Scripture released so that it can function
effectively in people's lives.
The Catholic Church
hobbled Scripture by keeping the Bible in Latin and resisting its translation
into the language of the common people.
KEEPING THE BIBLE
IN LATIN
Under Roman rule,
Latin became a universal language. So when the Bible was originally translated
from Greek and Hebrew into Latin, that made it more available to people.
However, with the collapse of the Roman empire, Latin was spoken less and
less. In time, only scholars understood it. The vast majority of people
no longer spoke it.
Starting about 1080
there were many incidents where the Pope, Church councils, or individual
bishops forbid the translation of the Bible into the language of the common
people (the vernacular). [Note 2] Men such as William Tyndale were burned
as heretics for translating the Bible into English. [Note 3]
Laymen were not even
allowed to read the Bible in Latin. Reading the Bible was considered to
be proof that someone was a heretic. Men and women were burned at the stake
for reading the Bible in Latin. [Note 4]
People were so hungry
to know what the Bible said that when an English translation of the Bible
was finally made available, people packed the church where it was kept,
while men took turns reading the Bible out loud. As long as there was daylight,
men kept reading the Bible while the crowds listened. [Note 5]
STRUGGLING WITH LATIN
When I became a Catholic,
the Mass was still in Latin. I was good at languages. I studied French
in high school and college. I also studied three years of college Latin.
At High Mass, the
Scriptures were sung in Latin. The Bible was a large, ornate book. The
priest would cover it with incense, and bow before it, and sing the Scripture
verses in Gregorian chant. I used to love to listen to Gregorian chant.
The music was beautiful.
However, the one
thing that I could not do was to understand the Scripture that was sung.
With my three years of college Latin, I could sometimes understand the
meaning of a word or a phrase. But that was nothing like understanding
the Scripture passage.
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Below are actual Catholic sources and quotes
about stopping Bibles from reaching people:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/banned.htm
Bible possession
once banned by the Catholic Church!
ITEM #1 POPE INNOCENT
III
Pope Innocent III
stated in 1199:
... to be reproved
are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the
psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to
explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries
of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they
cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to
understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures
is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding
them, but also the educated and the gifted (Denzinger-Schönmetzer,
Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)
ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF
TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
The Council of Toulouse,
which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the
Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known
as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try
heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt
with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:
Canon 14. We prohibit
also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have
the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed
Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these
books.
The Council of Tarragona
of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:
"No one may possess
the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if
anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within
eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned
lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of
all suspicion."
-D. Lortsch, Historie
de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.
In 1408 the third
synod of Oxford, England, banned unauthorized English translations of the
Bible and decreed that possession of English translation's had to be approved
by diocesan authorities. The Oxford council declared:
"It is dangerous,
as St. Jerome declares, to translate the text of Holy Scriptures out of
one idiom into another, since it is not easy in translations to preserve
exactly the same meaning in all things. We therefore command and ordain
that henceforth no one translate the text of Holy Scripture into English
or any other language as a book, booklet, or tract, of this kind lately
made in the time of the said John Wyclif or since, or that hereafter may
be made, either in part or wholly, either publicly or privately, under
pain of excommunication, until such translation shall have been approved
and allowed by the Provincial Council. He who shall act otherwise let him
be punished as an abettor or heresy and error."
At the ecumenical
Council of Constance, in 1415, Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel,
the archbishop of Canterbury, as "that pestilent wretch of damnable heresy
who invented a new translation of the scriptures in his mother tongue."
By the decree of the Council, more that 40 years after his death, Wycliffe's
bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the
Swift river.
Pope Pius IV had
a list of the forbidden books compiled and officially prohibited them in
the Index of Trent (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559. This is an excerpt:
Rule I
All books which were
condemned prior to 1515 by popes or ecumenical councils, and are not listed
in this Index, are to stand condemned in the original fashion.
Rule II
Books of arch-heretics
- those who after 1515 have invented or incited heresy or who have been
or still are heads and leaders of heretics, such as Luther, Zwingli, Calvin,
Hubmaier, Schwenckfeld, and the like — whatever their name, title or argumentation
— are prohibited without exception. As far as other heretics are concerned,
only those books are condemned without exception which deal ex professo
with religion. Others will be permitted after Catholic theologians have
examined and approved them by the order of bishops and inquistors. Likewise,
Catholic books written by those who subsequently fell into heresy or by
those who after their lapse returned into the bosom of the Church can be
permitted after approval by a theological faculty or the inquisition.
Rule III
Translations of older
works, including the church fathers, made by condemned authors, are permitted
if they contain nothing against sound doctrine. However, translations of
books of the Old Testament may be allowed by the judgment of bishops for
the use of learned and pious men only. These translations are to elucidate
the Vulgate so that Sacred Scripture can be understood, but they are not
to be considered as a sacred text. Translations of the New Testament made
by authors of the first sections in this Index are not to be used at all,
since too little usefulness and too much danger attends such reading.
Rule IV
Since experience
teaches that, if the reading of the Holy Bible in the vernacular is permitted
generally without discrimination, more damage than advantage will result
because of the boldness of men, the judgment of bishops and inquisitors
is to serve as guide in this regard. Bishops and inquisitors may, in accord
with the counsel of the local priest and confessor, allow Catholic translations
of the Bible to be read by those of whom they realize that such reading
will not lead to the detriment but to the increase of faith and piety.
The permission is to be given in writing. Whoever reads or has such a translation
in his possession without this permission cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles ...
Die Indices Librorum
Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen,
1886), page 246f.
From UNIGENITUS,
The Dogmatic Constitution issued by Pope Clement XI on Sept. 8, 1713:
The following statements
are condemned as being error:
79. It is useful
and necessary at all times, in all places, and for every kind of person,
to study and to know the spirit, the piety, and the mysteries of Sacred
Scripture.
80. The reading
of Sacred Scripture is for all.
81. The sacred obscurity
of the Word of God is no reason for the laity to dispense themselves from
reading it.
82. The Lord's Day
ought to be sanctified by Christians with readings of pious works and above
all of the Holy Scriptures. It is harmful for a Christian to wish to withdraw
from this reading.
83. It is an illusion
to persuade oneself that knowledge of the mysteries of religion should
not be communicated to women by the reading of Sacred Scriptures. Not from
the simplicity of women, but from the proud knowledge of men has arisen
the abuse of the Scriptures and have heresies been born.
84. To snatch away
from the hands of Christians the New Testament, or to hold it closed against
them by taking away from them the means of understanding it, is to close
for them the mouth of Christ.
85. To forbid Christians
to read Sacred Scripture, especially the Gospels, is to forbid the use
of light to the sons of light, and to cause them to suffer a kind of excommunication.
From the Encyclical
UBI PRIMUM of POPE LEO XII, MAY 5, 1824:
17. You have noticed
a society, commonly called the Bible society, boldly spreading throughout
the whole world. Rejecting the traditions of the holy Fathers and infringing
the well-known decree of the Council of Trent,[16] it works by every means
to have the holy Bible translated, or rather mistranslated, into the ordinary
languages of every nation. There are good reasons for fear that (as has
already happened in some of their commentaries and in other respects by
a distorted interpretation of Christ's gospel) they will produce a gospel
of men, or what is worse, a gospel of the devil![17]
18. To prevent this
evil, Our predecessors published many constitutions. Most recently Pius
VII wrote two briefs, one to Ignatius, Archbishop of Gniezno, the other
to Stanislaus, Archbishop of Mohileu, quoting carefully and wisely many
passages from the sacred writings and from the tradition to show how harmful
to faith and morals this wretched undertaking is.
18. To prevent this
evil, Our predecessors published many constitutions. Most recently Pius
VII wrote two briefs, one to Ignatius, Archbishop of Gniezno, the other
to Stanislaus, Archbishop of Mohileu, quoting carefully and wisely many
passages from the sacred writings and from the tradition to show how harmful
to faith and morals this wretched undertaking is.
19. In virtue of
Our apostolic office, We too exhort you to try every means of keeping your
flock from those deadly pastures. Do everything possible to see that the
faithful observe strictly the rules of our Congregation of the Index. Convince
them that to allow holy Bibles in the ordinary language, wholesale and
without distinction, would on account of human rashness cause more harm
than good.
From the encyclical
INTER PRAECIPUAS (On Biblical Societies) by Pope Gregory XVI, May 8, 1844:
1. Among the special
schemes with which non-Catholics plot against the adherents of Catholic
truth to turn their minds away from the faith, the biblical societies are
prominent. They were first established in England and have spread far and
wide so that We now see them as an army on the march, conspiring to publish
in great numbers copies of the books of divine Scripture. These are translated
into all kinds of vernacular languages for dissemination without discrimination
among both Christians and infidels. Then the biblical societies invite
everyone to read them unguided. Therefore it is just as Jerome complained
in his day: they make the art of understanding the Scriptures without a
teacher" common to babbling old women and crazy old men and verbose sophists,"
and to anyone who can read, no matter what his status. Indeed, what is
even more absurd and almost unheard of, they do not exclude the common
people of the infidels from sharing this kind of a knowledge.
4. Moreover, regarding
the translation of the Bible into the vernacular, even many centuries ago
bishops in various places have at times had to exercise greater vigilance
when they became aware that such translations were being read in secret
gatherings or were being distributed by heretics. Innocent III issued warnings
concerning the secret gatherings of laymen and women, under the pretext
of piety, for the reading of Scripture in the diocese of Metz.[12] There
was also a special prohibition of Scripture translations promulgated either
in Gaul a little later[13] or in Spain before the sixteenth century.[14]
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This is evidence that Rome, desires to
keep knowledge, doctrine, and so forth secret. But why? Because Rome also
seeks political power. For he who controls information controls people.
Look at the communists, they had media black outs to control their people.
But the Catholic church realized the information age was upon them, and
they changed their tactics. They lost political power as well. Now they
hold tight to the secrets they have, and they slyly control doctrines and
do not answer all questions about them. They do this also, so time can
create tradition, and with enough time, the tradition can be made into
doctrine. But if they go too quickly, the people would know that it is
not an accepted tradition.
http://www.cin.org/kc75-1.html
SACRED TRADITION
In the last analysis,
however, the Catholic doctrine does not rest on any direct Scriptural proof
but on tradition, increasingly clear and unmistakable. More than one writer
has pointed to a belief in Purgatory that was constantly developing. It
was not so much a doctrine that was discussed, but a firm belief that was
acted upon in day-to-day Christian living
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http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2783/purgatory3.html
After reviewing what
Catholic writers have said regarding such texts as 2 Maccabees 12:39-45,
Mattew 12:32,and 1Corintians 3:10-15, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967,Vol.X1,p.1034)acknowledges:"
In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition,
not Sacred Scripture."
"The church has relied
on tradition to support a middle ground between heaven and hell." -U.S
Catholic,March 1981,p.7.
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By being smart and designing doctrines
well, they can leave gaps, to be filled in the way they want, so time will
fill the gap. This may come by private revelations or visions as well:
http://wordbytes.org/doctrine/purgatory.htm
Purgatory has become
a popular topic, mainly as the result of revelations during alleged apparitions
of Our Lady and Our Lord. However, we cannot assume that all "revelations"
are completely trustworthy. Some may mix human understanding with divine
inspiration. Others may be outright deceptions from the Evil One.
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Purgatory is a great
example of such doctrine. The catholic church has very little to officially
say about it. And I am sometimes condemned by catholics for saying that
catholics teach there is work in purgatory. Rome may not officially teach
this. But I believe they want to, and want this to become a tradition.
Protestantism is a heavy enemy in this specific doctrine, so they are careful
and slow.
But they do allow many catholics to make
up their own mind about it, and they allow Dante's work to be used as an
illustration of the doctrines of purgatory:
http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Homiletic/07-96/6/6.html
The Divine Comedy
as a part of
Catholic education
...After reaching the bottom, the wayfarer and his guide climb up to the
mountain of purgatory on the other side of the world...
...As Dante and Virgil circle around the mountain of purgatory, at each
level one of the seven deadly sins is purged...
...Nevertheless, a course in Dante's Divine Comedy should be an integral
part of Catholic education for young people...
...A second reason it should be a part of our education is that it is a
wonderful vehicle for transmitting the doctrines of our faith...
Did you see this catholic source claims
Dante's Divine Comedy to be "a wonderful vehicle for transmitting the doctrines
of our faith"?
Some may claim this source also says this:
"... illustrated with the most powerful imagery...", saying the doctrine
is imagery only, thus the work in the Divine Comedy is not real, but allegorical.
While that quote is true, the Hindu's led
me to what Dante himself has said on the matter:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/08/05/stories/1305067k.htm
At the very start,
Dante tells the reader how the poem has to be read:
The subject of this
work must first be considered in the literal sense, then be considered
allegorically. The subject of the work, taken in its literal sense, is
simply the state of souls after death for the movement of the whole work
hinges on this. But if the work has to be taken allegorically, its
subject is how man by the exercise of his free will justly merits reward
or punishment.
So I found this bit from Dante, myself,
on the internet:
http://frit.lss.wisc.edu/~kleinhenz/lt253/lecnotes_2.html
Letter to Can Grande
della Scala
§ 7. [T]he meaning
of this work is not of one kind only; rather the work may be described
as 'polysemous', that is, having several meanings; for the first meaning
is that which is conveyed by the letter, and the next is that which is
conveyed by what the letter signifies; the former of which is called literal,
while the latter is called allegorical, or mystical. And for the better
illustration of this method of exposition we may apply it to the following
verses: 'When Israel went out of Egypt, the house of Jacob from a people
of strange language; Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion'.
For if we consider the letter alone, the thing signified to us is the going
out of the children of Israel from Egypt in the time of Moses; if the allegory,
our redemption through Christ is signified; if the moral sense, the conversion
of the soul from the sorrow and misery of sin to a state of grace is signified;
if the anagogical, the passing of the sanctified soul from the bondage
of the corruption of this world to the liberty of everlasting glory is
signified. And although these mystical meanings are called by various names,
they may one and all in a general sense be termed allegorical, inasmuch
as they are different (diversi) from the literal or historical; for the
word 'allegory' is so called from the Greek alleon, which in Latin is alienum
(strange) or diversum (different).
§ 8. This being
understood, it is clear that the subject, with regard to which the alternative
meanings are brought into play, must be twofold. And therefore the subject
of this work must be considered in the first place from the point of view
of the literal meaning, and next from that of the allegorical interpretation.
The subject, then, of the whole work, taken in the literal sense only,
is the state of souls after death, pure and simple. For on and about that
the argument of the whole work turns. If, however, the work be regarded
from the allegorical point of view, the subject is man according as by
his merits or demerits in the exercise of his free will he is deserving
of reward or punishment by justice.
Dante wishes the reader to look at the
work both ways, literal and allegorical. But does Rome wish this? I think
they do, but they are silent about it, and allow Dante to be used as a
vehicle for doctrine, rather than doctrine itself.
I am told sometimes, that my assessment
of Dante is singular, and that others do not agree that the Divine Comedy
teaches work in purgatory. Here is a University:
http://www.english.uwosh.edu/hostetler/Dante2.htm
7. How does Purgatory
work? Does each sinner have to spend time on each terrace? How do we know
when a soul is released from his/her terrace? (Hint: look at Statius in
Canto 21)
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others:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5958/cath.html
Yet, the doctrine
of Purgatory, in effect, is saying that we must suffer in purgatory for
sins not ‘covered by baptism’ and not covered by the cross. It is to say
that the work of Christ is not finished and that there are things we must
do to complete the sacrificial, cleansing work of Christ.This amounts to
earning heaven by our good works, albeit, a work of suffering. Additionally,
the doctrine of Purgatory implies that a person must atone for his own
sins.
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http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/earn.html
Does the Catholic
Church Teach that You Earn Salvation?
A frequent charge
made against the Catholic Church is that because it says one must be obedient
unto salvation, it thereby teaches that we earn salvation.
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How about the Divine
Comedy itself?
http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/mage/719/dante1/purgatory1.html
that it is the law
of Purgatory that no one may ascend the mountain at night : the darkness
of the shadows afflicts the will with impotence.
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/dante/pu03.htm
"Who knows on which
hand now the steep declines?"
My master said,
and paused; "so that he may
Ascend, who journeys
without aid of wing?"
And while, with
looks directed to the ground,
The meaning of the
pathway he explored,
And I gazed upward
round the stony height;
On the left hand
appear'd to us a troop
Of spirits, that
toward us moved their steps;
Yet moving seem'd
not, they so slow approach'd.
...we to climb Over
this wall aspire...
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Is there any other catholic sources that
speak of work in purgatory? Yes, some catholic saints:
http://wordbytes.org/doctrine/purgatory.htm
"I was talking
with some souls who, while on their way from Purgatory to Heaven, stopped
here to thank me because I remembered them in my Mass this morning." (Padre
Pio)
(sounds like a journey to me...)
"More souls of the
dead from Purgatory than of the living climb this mountain to attend my
Masses and seek my prayers." (Padre Pio)
(the journey involves climbing...)
"The soul keeps
rising ever higher and higher, stretching with its desire for heavenly
things to those that are before, as the Apostle tells us (in Philippians
3:13) and, thus, it will always continue to soar ever higher. For, because
of what it has already attained, the soul does not wish to abandon the
heights that lie beyond it. And, thus, the soul moves ceaselessly upwards,
always reviving its tension for its onward flight by means of the progress
it has already realized." (St. Gregory of Nyssa)
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The question may
be asked, "Why promote work, when everyone in purgatory is going to heaven?".
My response is, what if those there, refuse to work, refuse to climb the
mountain, refuse to go further. Do they gain heaven nonetheless? Do they
reach the goal in the same amount of time? Thus work is involved, if freewill
is involved. Freewill, some may suggest, may not be involved. If it is
not involved, why did Padre Pio, speak of them being thankful? Why did
St. Gregory of Nyssa speak of stretching with desire? This alludes to repentance.
What if someone does not wish to repent, if they didn't wish to repent
on earth? I am speaking of believers, not unbelievers.
Thus work is IMPLIED
by Rome's purgatory.
Any more evidence?
Sure:
CCC #2092: "There
are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities,
(hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes
upon God's almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness
without conversion and glory without merit)."
St. Peter's Catechism
(1972, p. 19) states, "All the souls in purgatory will go to Heaven when
they have atoned for their sins."
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More problems linking to work and freewill:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
Catholic Encyclopedia
Purgatory
Augustine (De Civ.
Dei, lib. XXI, cap.xiii and xvi) declares that the punishment of purgatory
is temporary and will cease, at least with the Last Judgment.
If purgatory stops at the Last Judgment,
where will the souls go who need purgatory when the world ends? And do
those at the Throne have to wait for those in purgatory to come out, so
judgments may be made? Or is purgatory ended despite its occupants being
not ready at judgment time?
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And the final evidence that the catholic
purgatory has freewill and work involved:
http://www.biblelessons.com/catholic.html
Thurcal said that
the sufferers have to pass over a bridge studded with sharp nails with
points upturned. The souls have to walk barefoot on this rough road and
many ease their feet by using their hands. Others roll with the whole body
on the perforating nails until, at last, bloodily pierced, they complete
their way over the painful course. Thus, in due course, they escape to
heaven.
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Of coarse the Bible does speak of a fiery
judgment for unfaithful believers. But this isn't a place, this isn't purgatory.
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