Hopefully if you
have come to this page you have read some foundational material before
getting here.
Isa 28: 9: Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned
from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10: For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and
there a little: 12: To whom he said, This is the rest
wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet
they would not hear.
I am preaching more than milk here and
am getting to more meaty matters. Milk is foundational.
Heb 5: 12: For when for the time you ought
to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first
principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk,
and not of strong meat. 13: For every one that uses milk is
unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14: But strong meat belongs to them
that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses
exercised to discern both good and evil. Heb 6: 1: Therefore leaving the principles
of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again
the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and
of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal
judgment.
The rest spoken of in Isa 28:12 is the
rest one needs to separate the soul from the spirit.
Heb 4: 4: For he spake in a certain place
of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from
all his works. 8: For if Jesus had given them rest,
then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9: There remaineth therefore a rest
to the people of God. 10: For he that is entered into his
rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11: Let us labour therefore to enter
into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12: For the word of God is quick, and
powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner
of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I discuss the difference between the soul
and the spirit here:
People can get caught up in soulish religiousness.
Doing work for God without doing His will or without doing it His way is
dead works and is a stench in His nose.
Math 7: 21: Not every one that says unto me,
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the
will of my Father which is in heaven. 22: Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have
cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23: And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
I am not talking about the loss of salvation.
This is a matter of the Kingdom of God vs common salvation which I discuss
here:
Isa 1: 13: Bring no more vain oblations; incense
is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies,
I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14: Your new moons and your appointed
feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15: And when ye spread forth your hands,
I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will
not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Heb:6:1: Therefore leaving the principles
of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again
the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward
God,
Heb:9:14: How much more shall the blood
of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot
to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living
God?
You see ministry from the soul is brass
when God wants gold. When King Solomon built the temple in the Old Testament
all the utensils and tools were made of gold. Later these were taken out
and King Rehoboam substituted brass for gold. Read Kings 6:20-30, 7:48-50.
Then read 2 Chron 12:9-10. Brass looks alot like gold but it is a substitution
and is not of God.
Sometimes we get brass, because we mix
God's word with tradition, or we deny the power of God.
Mark 7:13: Making the word of God of
none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such
like things do ye.
2 Tim 3:5: Having a form of godliness,
but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Most of us have heard of the Reformation.
Out of the Dark Ages, when many of God's truth's were lost, men of God
began seeing new truths in scripture which traditions and enemies of the
cross had taken away. But many such movements simply added the new truth
to the old. God can and has used such. But the perfect, the gold, cannot
ever come from such.
Luke 5: MKJV 37 And no one puts new wine into old
wineskins. Else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and
the wineskin will perish. 38 But new wine must be put into new
wineskins, and both are preserved together. 39 Also no one having drunk old wine
immediately desires new, for he says, The old is better.
When you put new wine into old wine skins,
eventually it will burst open and some will be lost. How often have we
seen division in the church because new truth was added to the old? Sometimes
this caused many to reject the new (losing the new wine because it was
spilled).
God wants the old wineskins destroyed.
AMPLIFIED Jeremiah 48:11 Moab
has been at ease from his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine]
and has not been drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone
into exile. Therefore his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed. 12 Therefore behold, the days
are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall
tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware)
in pieces.
The Lord is sending apostles and prophets
to break the old wine skins in the earth today. Tradition has corrupted
the church and its doctrines. It is apostles and prophets who build the
foundation of the church.
1 Cor:3:10: According to the grace of
God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation,
and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth
thereupon. 11: For other foundation can no man
lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Eph:2:20: And are built upon the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner
stone;
The problem is some men of God have gone
astray in this. Some have taken the new truths and camped on them and forgot
about following the cloud further. See the baptism of the cloud here (its
the 7th baptism):
Many have seen prophets who are abusive,
sometimes we call it "Fire and Brimstone". It is true that there must be
a type of destructive work by prophets.
Jer 1: 5: Before I formed thee in the belly
I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified
thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. 10: See, I have this day set thee over
the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to
destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
You see Jeremiah was called to be a prophet
and thus he had to "to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and
to throw down" but he also had to "build, and to plant". We
see stories in the Old Testament where prophets called down fire and people
were smitten. Two of Jesus' disciples wanted to do this:
Luke 9: 52: And sent messengers before his
face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make
ready for him. 53: And they did not receive him, because
his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54: And when his disciples James and
John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come
down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55: But he turned, and rebuked them,
and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56: For the Son of man is not come
to destroy men's lives, but to save them...
Paul spoke on this matter as well:
Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against
flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the
rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places.
There is a balance here. We did see Jesus
get angry, but He also was here to save men. It is religiousness not men
which must be destroyed here.
Years ago, when I was in Discipleship/Bible
school I had a vision. In the vision I saw the two-edged sword coming out
of Jesus' mouth as scripture tells us:
Mt:10:34: Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Lk:2:35: (Yea, a sword shall pierce
through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Eph:6:17: And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Heb:4:12: For the word of God is quick,
and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the
dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Rv:19:15: And out of his mouth goeth
a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule
them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness
and wrath of Almighty God.
I was very surprised when I saw the sword
come out of His mouth, because it came out handle 1st and the point last.
And He explained why this is so. When we minister the sword, which is the
Word of God, we do so to preserve people, not to take them out. We are
to show them, and train them to use the sword themselves. It is only against
demons that we use the point of the sword, or against their works, like
false teachings. But to get at those false teachings, we can't hack away
at our brothers.
2Tm:2:25: In meekness instructing those
that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to
the acknowledging of the truth;
1Cor:4:21: What will ye? shall I come
unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
2Cor:10:1: Now I Paul myself beseech
you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among
you, but being absent am bold toward you:
Gal:6:1: Brethren, if a man be overtaken
in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of
meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
We cannot purify someone else's soul, they
must use meekness themselves in receiving God's word.
Jms:1:21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness
and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted
word, which is able to save your souls.
Lets read more about this in Jeremiah:
Jer 31: 28: And it shall come to pass, that
like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to
throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them,
to build, and to plant, saith the LORD. 29: In those days they shall say no
more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are
set on edge. 30: But every one shall die for his
own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be
set on edge. 31: Behold, the days come, saith the
LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with
the house of Judah: 32: Not according to the covenant that
I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring
them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I
was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33: But this shall be the covenant
that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the
LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34: And they shall teach no more every
man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for
they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,
saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember
their sin no more.
You see this? God told Jeremiah that there
will be tearing down, but He goes on to say that people will know when
the grapes are sour, the wine is old. Then the Lord shows the New Covenant
and describes how each believer will have the Holy Spirit and can be taught
by Him. We need to flee mob mentality in the church. We all know what I
mean, many have said, "I am a Catholic, and my parents were catholics,
and so were their parents." Or even, "I am a Lutheran because my parents
were Lutherans." But we have also seen some of these wineskins burst. Look
at the catholic church in the United States, they are running out of priests
and have to get priests from other countries. We also see church splits
and some churches close down.
God is not anyone's Grandpa. He has no
grandchildren. You cannot get to God through your parents. God isn't going
to respect you because of your parents.
Rom 9: ESV 6 ... For not all who are descended
from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because
they are his offspring... 8 This means that it is not the children of the
flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are
counted as offspring.
John 1: LITV 12 But as many as received Him, to
them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing
into His name, 13 who were born not of blood, nor
of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.
Family ties can keep us in old wine skins.
One of the qualifications of being a disciple is putting Jesus before your
family. From one of my other pages:
1. Luke
14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters... he cannot be My disciple."
Does anyone have hold on
your life, that interferes with God's will in your life? Is there anyone
you won't give up for God? Is there someone you love more than God? If
so, you can't be a true disciple. He does not want you to be unkind, but
He speaks of preference. He also does not speak of abandonment, although
in a rare situation, He might, if you are in an abusive situation or something
similar (in such case seek more help).
Luke 12:51-53 "Do you
suppose I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;
for from now on five in one household will be divided, three against two,
and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son
against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother; mother-in-law
against daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
1 Tim 5:8 " But if anyone
does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household,
he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever."
Remember there is balance
in all things. But let God be 1st in your life.
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We are not running in an Old Testament
priesthood any more, every believer is a priest and has entrance to God.
The term laity is unbiblical and wrong. Its not a church with laity and
ministers, we are all priests. This is why Jesus warned the church about
the laity train of thought.
Rev 2: 6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest
the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 15: So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
The word laity is found in the greek word
Nicolaitans. I suggest this page from an elder brother of mine in the Lord,
which speaks more of this:
I am not saying it is unbiblical to have
teachers. For Jesus sent us teachers and other ministers:
Eph 4: 8: Wherefore he saith, When he ascended
up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 11: And he gave some, apostles; and
some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
But we also can have the Holy Spirit teach
us and through Him in us, we can know when we are given old wine and stale
manna.
1 John 2:27: But the anointing which
ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach
you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth,
and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You see, way back in the Old Testament,
God prophesied that even His New Covenant would have abuse and error, and
He sent prophets telling us of false and abusive shepherds.
Eze 34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely
because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast
of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search
for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock
Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth
the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his
arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
This why He also told us we would have
a habitation of shepherds. The pasture can be a home for shepherds,
and all in the pasture can be shepherds. This is the priesthood of the
believer.
Jer:33:12: Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Again in this place, which is desolate without man and without beast, and
in all the cities thereof, shall be an habitation of shepherds causing
their flocks to lie down.
This is why the church has failed. This
is why there is division. Wait a minute some would say, "How can you say
the church has failed. Didn't Jesus prophesy that the Gates of Hell will
not prosper against the church?" He sure did. There are different kinds
and levels of failure and I discuss this point indepth here:
So many today are fleeing the corporate
church scene and going to home churches. I am not telling folks to abandon
the church or churches. There still are many good churches out there. We
all need to follow Christ our Chief Shepherd and let Him guide us to the
pasture He wants us at.
But many churches have brass. The have
taken the business corporation structure and incorporated into church government.
And you know God has blessed such things, but such blessings have been
limited and have not been the full blessings of God. God uses what He can,
because He wants people saved, Spirit filled, and walking in His Kingdom.
But
the time is near at hand when His Hand is near. He has prophesied to
us a great shaking. This shaking is needed to break the old wine bottles.
MKJV Heb 12: 25 See that you do not refuse Him who
speaks. For if they did not escape, those who refused him that spoke on
earth, much more we shall not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks
from Heaven, 26 whose voice then shook the earth;
but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will not only shake the
earth, but also the heavens." 27 And this word , "Yet once more,"
signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that
have been made, so that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
This shaking is what I pointed towards
earlier when I quoted this:
AMPLIFIED Jeremiah 48:11 Moab
has been at ease from his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine]
and has not been drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone
into exile. Therefore his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed. 12 Therefore behold, the days
are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall
tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware)
in pieces.
As Heb 12:25 says, we shouldn't ignore
His voice. But we have a choice. We can willingly fall on the Stone of
Offence and be broken or He will fall on us and crush us to bits.
Math 21: MKJV 44 And he who falls on this Stone shall
be broken, but on whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And so, He is sending forth His prophets
to speak to us before the shaking comes. Perhaps we will shake ourselves,
and get rid of the old wine skins.
When the Lord comes it will change everything.
He will only rapture half the church. I discuss this at length here:
The half that is left behind will unite
into 2 camps. One part will join a new One World Religion in Rome and will
deny the real Christ, the other part will repent and turn to the Lord.
And the part who is with Rome, will work with the Anti-christ and will
persecute those left in the church and they will flee into the wilderness.
Rev 12: 6: And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 13: And when the dragon saw that he
was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the
man child. 14: And to the woman were given two
wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her
place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from
the face of the serpent. 17: And the dragon was wroth with the
woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What is interesting is the correlation
between this in Revelation (the Tribulation period) and what was prophesied
through Jeremiah when he spoke of Moab not changing his scent and not being
poured from vessel to vessel.
AMPLIFIED Jer 48:6 Flee! Save your lives!
But they shall be like a destitute and forsaken person in the wilderness 7 For because you have trusted
in your works [your bungling idol images] and in your treasures [instead
of in God], you shall also be taken. And Chemosh [your god] shall go into
captivity, his priests and his princes together.
Those who do not get shaken, have taken
brass instead of gold. And made God into an idol, not believing or walking
in His full truth. More importantly, refusing to do so. Thus why they are
left behind, but many of them will repent afterwards.
9 Give wings to Moab, for [by
that means only] she will flee and get away; her cities will be desolate,
without any to dwell in them. 10 Cursed be he who does the
work of the Lord negligently [with slackness, deceitfully]; and cursed
be he who keeps back his sword from blood [in executing judgment pronounced
by the Lord].
Do not these wings sound like the wings
from Rev 12? The negligence here may refer to the poor shepherds who have
not fed the sheep properly, or the believer who did not diligently search
out the scriptures for the truth.
11 Moab has been at ease from
his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine] and has not been
drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone into exile. Therefore
his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed. 12 Therefore behold, the days
are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall
tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware)
in pieces. 13 And Moab shall be ashamed
of Chemosh [his god], as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel, their
confidence. [I Kings 12:28, 29.] 15 Moab has been made desolate,
and his cities have gone up [in smoke and flame]; and his chosen young
men have gone down to the slaughter, says the King, Whose name is the Lord
of hosts.
Verse 13 may refer to the repentance after
the rapture. The desolation of 15 may refer to the rapture (cities have
gone up), or to those who forsook Christ and went to Rome's One World Religion,
or to those being martyred for their faith.
25 The horn (strength) of Moab
is cut off, and his arm [of authority] is shattered, says the Lord.
There has been much debate over who is
the restrainer in...
2 Thes 2:7: For the mystery of iniquity
doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken
out of the way.
I believe Jer 48:25 may refer to this prophetically,
because Jesus says the church is the salt.
Math 5:13: Ye are the salt of the earth:
but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it
is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden
under foot of men.
The church is the salt. The light of Christ
working through us keeps back the work of darkness. When the rapture occurs
satan will not be hindered by the salt and can send the anti-christ. The
church left behind will now find a loss of strength and authority in the
realm of the world. They will be outlawed and no longer tolerated.
33 Joy and gladness are taken away from
the fruitful orchards and fields and from the land of Moab. And I have
made the juice [of the grape] to fail from what is pressed out in the vats;
no one treads [the grapes] with shouting. Their shouting is no shouting
[of joy, but is a battle cry].
That verse preaches multitudes of things.
The joy may be missed from the oppression the church will have, but they
also will lose the joy of the fruitful fields, for the harvest field will
be about empty. There won't be any more evangelistic crusades and leading
the many lost to Christ. We also see in this verse about the grapes, that
they are not worked with shouting. Grapes are used for wine. They are tread
in vats to make wine. This may speak of 2 things. One, there will no longer
be division and arguments over the wine, there will be doctrinal unity.
Two, this may refer to the church's judgment at being tread upon during
the tribulation, because they would not repent before the rapture came.
I speak about the judgment of the believer in these grape vats here:
35 Moreover, I will cause to cease in
Moab, says the Lord, the one who ascends and offers in the high place and
the one who burns incense to his gods.
This again points toward a corporate wide
repentance, and sorrow for the brass they had followed. By the way many
believe the nation Israel will also have a corporate repentance at this
time, and thus fulfill Paul's prophecy that the entire nation will be saved.
40 For thus says the Lord: Behold,
he [Babylon] shall fly swiftly like an eagle and shall spread out his wings
against Moab. [Ezek. 17:3.]
This prophesies the return of Babylon which
will persecute the church. I speak of preparing for it's arrival here:
This is a long introduction to some teachings
that I know will be resisted. I want you to ask yourself, are you resisting
this because it doesn't fit in your wineskin? Remember we take on entire
different realms of interpretation based upon what wineskin we have. Thus
the need for a new wineskin, which is based upon the word of God alone,
and no traditions. This is a work upon the Foundational Principles, which
most churches never even heard of let alone taught. You can find teachings
on these Foundational Principles in the pink area to the left on the link
named "Foundation". I admonish everyone to do as these people did:
Acts:17:11: These were more noble than
those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness
of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Do not throw out teachings because a shepherd
say's so, or a denomination say's so, or a family member say's so, or even
if your reason or stance say's so. This is the old wineskin talking. We
toss out teachings because they are unbiblical. That should be the only
say so.
I have a family member who is involved
in the Catholic church. Years ago a friend of his led him to the Lord and
got him born again. He went from the 1st baptism to the 2nd. When I got
baptized in the Holy Ghost (the 3rd baptism) within the Catholic church,
I invited this family member to do likewise. They told me they didn't have
time in their life for such things. Oh man, that's addiction to the old
wine skin!
Luke 16: 16: Then said he unto him, A certain
man made a great supper, and bade many: 17: And sent his servant at supper
time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18: And they all with one consent began
to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground,
and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19: And another said, I have bought
five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20: And another said, I have married
a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21: So that servant came, and shewed
his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to
his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and
bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22: And the servant said, Lord, it
is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23: And the lord said unto the servant,
Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my
house may be filled. 24: For I say unto you, That none of
those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Even though they won't get to the wedding,
they haven't lost their salvation, and Jesus will come for them after the
wedding. And though they didn't make it to the feast, Jesus will feed them
Himself, because they have went and got new wine skins after the shaking.
Luke 12: NKJV 35 "Let your waist be girded and your
lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master,
when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they
may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master,
when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will
gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.
38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch,
and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if
the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would
have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore
you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
